The thing is, Stu, you have no idea how anything works either, and from what I'm reading you and I are in agreement on that. Your assumption of a non-conscious universe has no more grounding in science than the opposite since as I wrote, our data aet for analysis has zero data points. But given that the only life form we can analyse in detail-us- IS conscious, it seems arrogant to assune we're unique. Why wouldn't everything be conscious? Are we that special?